tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post4589403619441114500..comments2023-11-05T06:37:16.480-05:00Comments on Nilbog's Storybook Land: Right Lesson, Wrong MessageThe Nilboghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-49066316110375368992013-01-19T20:22:41.565-05:002013-01-19T20:22:41.565-05:00No argument here. :-)No argument here. :-)The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-1083933263004640272013-01-19T20:18:36.283-05:002013-01-19T20:18:36.283-05:00My favorite character in Star Wars is probably Obi...My favorite character in Star Wars is probably Obi-Wan. I do agree that Qui-Gon was probably the wisest of all the Jedi, but Obi-Wan is pretty heavily responsible for training Luke who would eventually redeem his father. If nothing, Obi-Wan is still a pretty legendary character.Diego Perez de Vargas Machuca https://www.blogger.com/profile/13231112862216263516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-60899391491859532132013-01-19T19:13:19.713-05:002013-01-19T19:13:19.713-05:00Hope at about four separate people actively workin...Hope at about four separate people actively working on the script at any point in the production, while Return (to my knowledge) only had two.T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-23288030151175992642013-01-19T18:29:04.547-05:002013-01-19T18:29:04.547-05:00Except that Jedi had collaborators Moreso than Hop...Except that Jedi had collaborators Moreso than Hope did.The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-23904034753063912802013-01-19T18:26:38.194-05:002013-01-19T18:26:38.194-05:00Yeah, thanks- I wasn't entirely certain on my ...Yeah, thanks- I wasn't entirely certain on my facts, especially with who helped on the original script.<br /><br />Though I do think there's a case to be made that Lucas's scripts generally work better with collaborators, as the first two films would attest to.T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-62823410210802083382013-01-18T23:50:40.799-05:002013-01-18T23:50:40.799-05:00Thanks for that, Eddie. I didn't know a lot of...Thanks for that, Eddie. I didn't know a lot of that.<br /><br />Also, sorry I haven't commented on TPM Holiday lately, but it won't allow comments from my browser anymore (not quite ready to upgrade).The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-13975254674182129302013-01-18T23:43:30.344-05:002013-01-18T23:43:30.344-05:00Lawrence Kasdan didn't work on "Star Wars...Lawrence Kasdan didn't work on "Star Wars" (his first collaborations with Lucas were nearly simultaneously Raiders and ESB--the husband-and-wife team of Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz helped Lucas refine the fourth draft of the "Star Wars" script), and virtually nothing in ESB comes from Leigh Brackett. "The Making of The Empire Strikes Back" by J.W. Rinzler is a great resource, as it includes large chunks of the transcript of the initial ESB story meeting between Lucas and Brackett (wherein Lucas laid out every plot point and character he wanted included in Brackett's draft), and relevant chunks of each successive Lucas or Kasdan draft. There are also excerpts of the Leigh Brackett draft included in the book, and even tonally, it's nothing like what ended up on screen. She died early in pre-production, in March of 1978, and Lucas gave her a story credit basically out of the goodness of his heart, as there were none of her ideas in the final film. <br />Here's the Brackett draft:<br /><br />http://starwarz.com/starkiller/2010/05/the-empire-strikes-back-first-draft-by-leigh-brackett-transcript/<br /><br />Dialogue-wise, Kasdan did add a lot of "punch" to ESB, but as seen in the Rinzler book, in some cases, he simply added or omitted a word or two to Lucas' own lines (which definitely elevated the material). The idea that Leigh Brackett was the beating heart and soul of ESB is just another tired internet fantasia, borne of ignorance, and the inexplicable and venomous hatred of George Lucas. Eddiehttp://phantommenaceholiday.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-16029902738305679672013-01-18T20:16:10.462-05:002013-01-18T20:16:10.462-05:00Assisted sure, but George wasn't resting on hi...Assisted sure, but George wasn't resting on his laurels. The actual breakdown of who wrote what line in Empire, Jedi, and Clones may be impossible to prove, but you can bet George got a few good ones.The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-54659618137143006532013-01-18T20:08:51.164-05:002013-01-18T20:08:51.164-05:00"we forget that he’s also responsible for som..."we forget that he’s also responsible for some classic and thought-provoking phrases."<br /><br />Is he, though? Anything in the prequels, yes, but the dialogue in the original films is largely attributed to (I think) Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett, who stepped in and assisted the dialogue in Star Wars and wrote Empire (Return was cowritten by Kasdan and Lucas).T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.com