tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post8135021238829073992..comments2023-11-05T06:37:16.480-05:00Comments on Nilbog's Storybook Land: The Han and Boba ShowThe Nilboghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-60121202670454125012014-03-19T17:36:48.637-04:002014-03-19T17:36:48.637-04:00["Well, the purpose of that scene is to show ...["Well, the purpose of that scene is to show what kind of person Han was before getting involved with Luke and the rebellion. Han starts off as a cold-hearted vigilante and then grows and develops until finally choosing to do the right thing and save his friend at the end of the movie."]<br /><br /><br />There is another scene in the movie that perfectly conveyed Han's cold-blooded nature at the time . . . when he refused to help Luke save Leia from execution, while they were on the Death Star. You don't need the Greedo scene, if one must be honest. This is why I never raised a fuss about the change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-44511169332369160002013-10-14T14:55:45.203-04:002013-10-14T14:55:45.203-04:00Mean? Nah, just a silly little 10 second video mak...Mean? Nah, just a silly little 10 second video making fun of Greedo's exceptionally bad aim.T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-1429591371223032382013-10-12T09:51:31.053-04:002013-10-12T09:51:31.053-04:00Yeah, I think the opening to the second Robot Chic...Yeah, I think the opening to the second Robot Chicken SW special satirized that perfectly.The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-77026202496357673802013-10-12T01:18:03.624-04:002013-10-12T01:18:03.624-04:00Great Article! :)
I too have noticed the Han Solo...Great Article! :)<br /><br />I too have noticed the Han Solo and Boba Fett worship amongst the Prequel Haters. It seems to me they hate any character who isn't 'badass' (I hate that term) that's why they hate Jar Jar and the Ewoks as well as Anakin because Hayden wasn't 'badass' enough for them.<br /><br />The funny thing is if they had gotten an actor to play Anakin more in the Han Solo style...they would have bashed him just the same for 'copying Harrison Ford'. <br /><br />So nothing George could have done would please these guys, if he had put a Han Solo type character in the Prequels they would have simply called the character a ripoff and gone on about how much better Harrison Ford was. <br /><br />I love Han's character, but it does get annoying so see how so many people put him up on a pedestal...and NOT because he was a good character that grew and went through a important character arch (which he did) but because he's so 'badass'. *rollseyes*. <br /><br />Honestly I like Han way better in ESB and ROTJ once he lets go of his selfishness and starts to show more of his 'softer side'. But that's just me.<br /><br />As for Boba Fett, I have a theory that the reason so many people love his character to the point of idolization is because he is such a blank slate. <br /><br />Just going by the films in the OT (Not the Prequels) you don't know squat about this guy! <br /><br />So the fans were able to fill in that blank slate with their own imaginations and make Boba as 'badass' as they wanted him to be *rolls eyes* and that's where all the hero worship of his character comes from.<br /><br />Not from anything George gave him but from the fans own imagination where they can claim Boba as their own and make him the most awesome guy in the galaxy. <br /><br />Same thing happened with Darth Maul, he was another character who (like Boba) is pretty much a completely blank slate in TPM. But he looks cool and that's all the fans needed to build him up to uber-badassness in their imaginations. <br /><br />Did I mention I hate that word 'badass'? <br /><br />It seems nowadays that a male character can't show any vulnerability anymore without being called 'whiney' or a 'pretty-boy'. No he has to be a completely one-dimensional tough guy or he is labeled as a 'wimp' . <br /><br />No thank you I'll take Anakin any day of the week! :)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-55324077887407247082013-10-11T19:32:38.483-04:002013-10-11T19:32:38.483-04:00George probably felt it was TOO coldblooded for th...George probably felt it was TOO coldblooded for the atmosphere he wanted. I do agree that the initial effect is awkward at best (hence the caption joke), but I support the reason, I like the scene on the blu-ray (where it's too smokey to see who shot), and I don't want to see the original back.<br /><br />I also hope you didn't just link to an exceptionally mean parody (I can't watch it from here at the moment).The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-68310873454076209842013-10-11T18:13:18.880-04:002013-10-11T18:13:18.880-04:00Still, though, at least it gave us the parody vide...Still, though, at least it gave us the parody video, so there is that:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Asjh-HjRET. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-25838194160257041762013-10-11T18:11:14.277-04:002013-10-11T18:11:14.277-04:00"Readies" still hints at logic- "hr..."Readies" still hints at logic- "hrm, this guy is pointing a gun at me, I may want to have mine on the ready". It's firing first that speaks to a cold-heartedness.<br /><br />Really, though, I think the larger problem with the change is just how pointless it is. I mean, all of the changes are ostensibly meant to improve the films, and though I personally don't think they do, you can at least see the reasoning behind most of them- touching up effects here and there, making certain environments larger or more impressive, etc. I do not see a single way in which changing who shoots first actively improves that scene. As is, it's a sloppy effect that introduces more problems than it solves (like the absurdity that Greedo would miss at point blank range) and does nothing to actually better the scene itself. It's change for the point of change.<br /><br />I agree, though, that 'shooting at the same time' is a better way of doing it, but it still reeks of an absurd pointlessness...much like changing the credits for the DVD release of American Graffiti....yes, you can change it to make it different, but what's the point?T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-14754434946779435882013-10-11T16:51:13.130-04:002013-10-11T16:51:13.130-04:00But he still readies his pistol. He's prepared...But he still readies his pistol. He's prepared, even if he gives Greedo every chance to walk away.<br /><br />Again, I prefer "same time" to either of them going first.The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-68617998707932836862013-10-11T16:46:43.193-04:002013-10-11T16:46:43.193-04:00Because killing someone because of a presumed dang...Because killing someone because of a presumed danger says a lot more about a person than killing someone because of a present danger does. The point of the original scene was that Han had a dangerous past and was willing to do anything to get rid of it (which he then sacrifices at the end in favor of doing the *right* thing). When you change that to "someone's trying to kill him", it takes away any kind of character in the action and it becomes logical- well, of course you would shoot the guy that just tried to shoot you 2 second ago.<br /><br />It also ties into the character's western roots, with the original scene being lifted almost directly from spaghetti westerns.T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-19135572077471963932013-10-11T16:35:38.565-04:002013-10-11T16:35:38.565-04:00Even my autocorrect hates the word "badass,&q...Even my autocorrect hates the word "badass," apparently. Well, I hate more what it's come to represent.<br /><br />P.S. glad you like the captions.The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-6236801118385102902013-10-11T16:33:59.624-04:002013-10-11T16:33:59.624-04:00I guess we travel in different circles then. A lot...I guess we travel in different circles then. A lot of people come off like this to me based on some of the misassumptions of the Saga as well as the Han fetishism.<br /><br />Extrapolating that to "the scene," it might be a subtle re-emphasis to hint at his goodness, but how does it weaken the character except in the eye of someone who sees the original as "harass" (which I have in fact heard verbatim in debates)?The Nilboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902509798047158212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5543195171933661664.post-73136459947367726162013-10-11T16:19:40.446-04:002013-10-11T16:19:40.446-04:00It's a nice argument, but to be honest I don&#...It's a nice argument, but to be honest I don't know if I've ever actually seen people who think this way (though Boba and Han definitely do get fetishized by a vast majority of fandom).<br /><br />"even though a more equalized shootout works better for a character with a heart of gold as Han was meant to be."<br /><br />Well, the purpose of that scene is to show what kind of person Han was before getting involved with Luke and the rebellion. Han starts off as a cold-hearted vigilante and then grows and develops until finally choosing to do the right thing and save his friend at the end of the movie. It's character development- Han doesn't start with a heart of gold, he grows to have one. So rewriting the Greedo scene, as subtle a change as it is, undoes a part of that arc and weakens our initial view of him as a character (which is almost universally the argument I hear against the scene- I've actually never seen anyone defend it "'cause it's badass" or something like that).<br /><br /><br /><br />Captions are good, btw. T. Hartwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602995118108914316noreply@blogger.com